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hello

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and welcome to episode number 20 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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in recent months former department of

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defense employee

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luis elizondo who ran the pentagon's ufo

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program

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known as atip or the advanced aerospace

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threat identification program

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has made comments pinpointing

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experiences where senior department of

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defense officials

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attempted to shut down further

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investigation into ufos

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or as they have been rebranded in

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government circles unidentified aerial

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phenomena

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simply for reasons that amount to a

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prejudice stemming from religious

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fundamentalism

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and unfortunately this is far from the

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first time such incidences

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have reportedly occurred

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as unnerving as it is that taxpayer-run

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programs

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are being started and stopped based

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merely on the biases

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of religious extremists placed deep

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within the hierarchy

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of our government this perspective that

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seeks to draw conclusions

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even before finishing the task of

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gathering data

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connecting dots that arise from that

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process and considering various

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hypotheses

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is actually commonplace not only within

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the hallowed halls of government

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but within the greater american society

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as well

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in fact this is one of the greatest

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challenges our society faces when

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as will almost certainly be the case as

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increasingly clear revelations regarding

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the presence of a non-human intelligence

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in our midst emerge

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we are forced to reckon with this

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reality as a nation and

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when one considers various reactions to

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the revelation that apparently

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non-human intelligences are in our midst

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and perhaps have been for a very long

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one thing seems clear the very same data

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points that lead some observers to

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conclude that we are being visited by

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an extraterrestrial race lead others to

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believe

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we are falling prey to the actions of

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demonic entities

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whose only aim is to deceive and

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ultimately draw us away from

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the one true god one group ponders the

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implications for our human future

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when faced with the startlingly

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sophisticated technology of a more

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advanced biological race

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while the other fears for the salvation

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and thus the very eternal souls

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of countless billions as a result of

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what they consider

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how did we get here how do people living

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in the very same nation

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and within the same era of history draw

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such starkly different conclusions when

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faced with the very same data

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and what does this say for our ability

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to deal with this revelation in the

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of course matters become even more

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convoluted and complicated

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when research suggests that perhaps the

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events that spawned the creation

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of the very religions that have evolved

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to become the dominant meaning-making

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structures

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for a majority of the world's population

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may very well have been initiated by

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the very same sophisticated non-human

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intelligences

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that we are trying to grapple with based

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on the evidence of contemporary

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in that sense the entire question

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regarding what constitutes our notion of

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ultimate reality may have come full

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depending on your point of view this

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unique situation can be seen as an

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opportunity for the greatest

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in the history of human civilization or

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the revelation that has the potential to

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collapse our society

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into utter chaos and perhaps it is both

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what do these revelations say about who

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we are where we come from

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and where we're going and how will we as

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rise to the challenge these are the

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intriguing and perplexing questions

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in this the 20th episode of the point of

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a few moments ago i mentioned that lou

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elizondo was directed by a senior

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department of defense official

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to basically shut down the ufo program

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to stop investigating altogether

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this led lew to wonder if these were our

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vehicles after all

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he asked this individual if that was the

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case and he was told

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no that's not what was meant and then

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this individual asked him if he had read

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his bible recently

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and basically as the story goes he said

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now remember luis elizondo and his

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colleagues were the researchers

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looking at the data itself the

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bureaucrats such as this

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senior department of defense official

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trying to shut down the investigations

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were not and lou elizondo has never

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indicated he was shown or told about

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actual evidence supporting these

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literalist

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biblical views and to be clear

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i would have no problem if these

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officials found actual

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evidence of misdeeds done by a

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pure energy kind of intelligence and

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wanted to act based on that intel

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what i cannot stomach is silly outdated

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world views shutting down the discussion

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and of course it's not just me who

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thinks this is wrong

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this kind of approach is actually

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unlawful these actions by this

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the founding fathers had exactly this

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kind of scenario in mind when they set

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up a clear separation of church and

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no individual nor group of individuals

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should be able to dictate to the rest of

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what can and can't be studied or done

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based on their own religious views

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religious fundamentalism runs deep here

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but how did we get here that's partly

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what i'd like to unpack

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in episode number nine of the point of

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in an episode titled disclosure dilemma

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i discussed various consciousness levels

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that exist across the world

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and how the different levels actually

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complicate the question of how

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or to happen in a large way

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in a similar way i'd like to discuss the

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three main world views currently present

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this is what psychologist jeffrey

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mishlov had to say about these three

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basic worldviews

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currently dominant in america quote

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the american public can be thought of as

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consisting of three basic groups

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there are the traditionalists they cling

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to the values of past generations

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particularly religious fundamentalism

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for them the world can be seen as a

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struggle between the spiritual forces of

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for the most part they would describe

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the sorts of phenomenon

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reported in this book as the work of the

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then there are the modernists they

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reject religious dogmatism and

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for them the world is governed by

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natural laws and operates on rational

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for the most part they are equally

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certain that the phenomena reported in

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and this was a book about the ufo

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phenomenon are not at all real

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but are rather entirely explainable in

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delusion and probably fraud

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paul ray describes the third and fastest

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as the trans-modern cultural creatives

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i meaning jeffrey mishlov personally

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identify with this group

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they are interested in spirituality but

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not dogmatic religion

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growth they are very interested

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but rather demonic as the term daemon

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encompassing both the positive

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you demonic and negative this demonic

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man which was about

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ted owens who claimed to be receiving

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and powers granted to him by a ufo

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earth it's a fascinating account

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with amazing witness accounts and

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jeffrey mishlov he identified three main

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groups and these groups are called by

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because again your worldview dictates

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phenomenon as a distinct possibility

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open minds and by the way this trans

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is conceived of now of course the irony

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here

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for you sci-fi buffs arthur c clarke

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predicted this very thing he said that a

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sophisticated

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enough intelligence would be perceived

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as magic

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by a lesser civilization this modernist

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group

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looks at the phenomenon exactly that way

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and they reject it because they assume

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it looks magical not that it could

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actually be

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and again for you sociology buffs in

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integral theory

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that mistake is known as the pre-trans

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fallacy

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okay moving on to number three the

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traditional group

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now according to this group there are

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three tiers of reality because this is

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based on a christian fundamentalist kind

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of view

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therefore by definition if these beings

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found in the ufo phenomenon are not

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humans

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or animals native to the earth they must

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be one of two things

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either angels or demons now the latter

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is almost always what is opted for

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partly because there is an

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overarching suspicion of anything new

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they assume anything new is likely a

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deception

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and because of passages where it said

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things like

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satan parades as an angel of light

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these kind of passages are used ad

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nauseum to explain away

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anything paranormal or that doesn't fit

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within

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the conventional thinking about reality

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remember the dogma in which these terms

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are embedded

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suggest that they are not simply

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malevolent non-biological entities

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but specific creatures that fell from

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heaven as a result of a satanic

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rebellion

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when people talk about demons this is

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what they mean they mean

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the demonic interpretation based in

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christian

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now i'd like to take just a couple

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additional moments to unpack what i just

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discussed

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and for those of you tuning in for the

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first time part of my background is in

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religious studies and specifically

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biblical studies at the academic level

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so this is my territory

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so first off when religious

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fundamentalists in government

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and elsewhere in our society talk about

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demonic entities when they assume

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these aliens these others these visitors

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whatever you want to call them are

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actually demonic entities

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they do not mean merely malevolent

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non-biological entities in a general

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sense

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no they are referring to specific

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creatures that are part of a creation

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story where satan who was a creature of

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god himself

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fell and these angels fell with him and

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they became the demons that they are

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referring to when they talk about the

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ufo phenomenon

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these are the very same creatures it's

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very important that we clarify

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and one more point just to be crystal

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clear on this

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the reason why they assume these

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entities must be demons

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is because they see reality as composed

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of three tiers

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animals and humans on the earth satan

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and demons below in

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hell and god and angels above it's got

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to be one of those three tiers according

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to their

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worldview and so by a process of

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elimination

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and because they are suspicious of

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anything new and because of a reliance

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on only certain passages of scripture

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they assume all entities to do with the

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ufo phenomenon

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so hopefully that's much clearer now

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when that one official

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a senior department of defense official

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told luella zondo

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these must be demons what he was

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basically saying

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is these creatures who were once angels

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who fell

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with satan because he rebelled against

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god and who were cast

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out into hell that the ufo phenomenon is

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actually comprised of these very same

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now for those of us such as myself

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who've studied both the phenomenon

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and the formation of our ancient

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religions a great irony

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arises here the origin of religions may

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be a result of the activity of the

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phenomenon

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so ironically the very historical events

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that led to the formation of religions

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may be akin to the events that are

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happening today

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our meaning making models have come full

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now for you perhaps this is a stretch

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perhaps it's difficult for you to

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conceive of

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a ufo phenomenon active thousands of

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years ago

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giving rise to the three dominant

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abrahamic traditions

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that are responsible for so much of the

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belief systems around the world even

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today

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well here as a case in point it's useful

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to consider what are called

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now this is what wikipedia has to say of

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cargo cults

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quote a cargo cult is a millenarian

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belief system

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in which adherents perform rituals which

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they believe will cause a more

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technologically advanced society

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to deliver goods these cults were first

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described

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in melanesia in the wake of contact with

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allied military forces

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during the second world war unquote

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so basically the idea here is that there

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was a untouched tribe that had never

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come in contact

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with the modern world whatsoever they

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were an isolated tribe

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living in the jungle and they had

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notions of reality akin to the way we

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would have seen the world

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a thousand years ago so try and imagine

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their

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shock and wonder when vehicles in the

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sky

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such as helicopters and cargo planes are

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suddenly seen

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and that these strange vehicles drop

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goods

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that can be consumed food and whatnot on

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parachutes that float and miraculously

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land in their territory

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they of course interpreted this as

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deliveries from the gods

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gifts from the gods they saw us as gods

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of course we're aware that we are not

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gods we are merely a more sophisticated

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civilization

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but what did this make them do they

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actually developed

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rituals traditions to try and please

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us further that would encourage us to

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drop more goods

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and this is what happens whenever a less

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sophisticated civilization

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comes into contact with a much more

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and with that actual historical event in

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mind

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think about the historical rise of the

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dominant revealed

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monotheistic religions here i speak of

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judaism

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islam and christianity which are the

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three abrahamic religions

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now contrast those three religions with

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something like buddhism

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buddhism is not a revealed religion

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because it is not based on

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miraculous events from supposedly

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non-human

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spiritual entities that dictate the way

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that is the case of course with the

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three dominant abrahamic religions

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think about the ten commandments as an

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example there something was given

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by non-human intelligence to try and

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help

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now of course this prompts the question

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did the phenomenon the intelligence

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behind the phenomenon

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deliberately craft our religions or is

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it a combination

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of events and our interpretation my bet

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is on the latter

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some figures in this field such as tom

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delong and peter lavender have wondered

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if actually

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the former is the case i think the

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latter is more likely

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that there were initial events and then

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our interpretation of them

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and this ultimately led to the rise of

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now earlier in this podcast episode i

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mentioned that religious fundamentalists

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interpret the ufo phenomenon through a

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literalist biblical

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interpretation but that begs the

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question

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how does scripture and dogma arise to

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begin with

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what does that process look like

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i would like to now give you a very

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quick overview of what that process

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actually looked like historically

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so you know what these people are basing

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these ideas upon

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now biblical studies 101 is that you

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should always try and understand

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ancient texts first in the way they

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would have been originally heard

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by the original audiences it is

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anachronistic to read these texts

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and read them from a 21st century

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perspective

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to understand them clearly you have to

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first try and hear them

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the way they would have been heard by

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the original audiences for whom these

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i make this point because i actually

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fairly regularly

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see people within the ufo community try

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and read these ancient texts

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from a 21st century perspective without

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understanding the original languages or

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even more importantly the original

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cultural context

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and interpret them as if they were

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written last week

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that leads to some very faulty

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understandings based on what the

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original intentions were

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that additional work is always necessary

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to get a really clear understanding

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to add a little more clarity again

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these original texts or actually they

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were originally oral traditions that

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were passed down

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were intended for an audience at that

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time it was teaching to help them live

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their lives differently

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to understand reality differently these

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were people who had a very different

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worldview a pre-scientific worldview

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now think of an idiom a modern idiom

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like break a leg

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to us that makes sense we know we don't

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mean literally

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snap your limb we know it's a funny

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expression we use

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to say good luck basically but imagine a

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society a thousand years from now

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trying to understand that phrase without

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having that

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cultural understanding they would

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misinterpret it

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now speaking of cultural context and

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cultural differences

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these ancient societies had a very

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different way of looking at a notion

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like

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history to us in 21st century society

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we feel the need to make sure our

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histories are accurate that we are

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accurately depicting things

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as they happened in the past these

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ancient societies did not feel this need

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they did not look at that notion

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at all the same way and in fact books

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like

585
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,720
genesis found in the old testament

586
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,720
actually contain a creation myth that

587
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:41,840
was inherited from

588
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:45,120
earlier non-abrahamic traditions a book

589
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,480
called the enuma elish

590
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,960
is one of the earliest creation myths

591
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,080
we've ever found

592
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,080
and it's very clear when you study both

593
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:54,240
that genesis inherited from this

594
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,799
earlier belief system

595
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,720
so thus far we've established a couple

596
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,640
things number one

597
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,480
initially these teachings were oral

598
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,919
traditions that were passed down from

599
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,840
generation to generation

600
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,360
and number two that some of these

601
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:11,440
traditions some of these myths about

602
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:14,240
reality about creation were inherited

603
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,880
from even

604
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,720
earlier traditions and they had no

605
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:18,799
problem doing this

606
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,679
now we come now to an interesting point

607
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,440
when i actually learned these things

608
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,400
in academic circles i was taught mainly

609
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,880
that these were

610
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,559
belief structures that were made up that

611
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:32,320
these myths were actually made up

612
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,039
stories

613
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,039
to try and make sense of a reality that

614
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,640
was hard to understand

615
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,039
for a pre-scientific culture so

616
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,039
basically when storms would arise

617
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,960
and crops would be destroyed they had to

618
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,280
come up with some story to explain

619
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,440
why that happened so they would develop

620
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:48,799
these creation myths

621
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:51,760
to try and say we must have made some

622
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,240
god

623
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,559
angry and therefore they are striking

624
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:56,240
out at us therefore what can we do

625
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:58,720
differently next time to prevent this

626
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,000
what rituals can we endorse and

627
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,400
enact so that this doesn't happen again

628
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:06,559
and that we have more beneficial results

629
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:09,280
in the future of course this sounds very

630
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,919
familiar

631
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,600
doesn't it it sounds like the cargo

632
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,159
cults yes indeed this is the way

633
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:16,559
pre-scientific societies deal with

634
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,909
now i mentioned that that was how i was

635
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,919
taught to understand these things this

636
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,200
is how the history was

637
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,080
assumed to have taken place of course

638
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,919
based on our discussion of world views

639
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,400
don't forget that our academic system

640
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,720
is based on a modernist interpretation

641
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,240
of reality

642
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:38,000
therefore it was assumed these could

643
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,520
have been in no way

644
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,840
real events that these must have been

645
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,679
stories that were made up to try and

646
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,400
make sense of difficult realities

647
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,400
of course with the rise of the ufo

648
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,760
phenomenon and

649
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,760
the bizarre events we see happening

650
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,360
there the way that

651
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,120
seemingly miraculous things happen

652
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,200
things that look magical even to us

653
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,360
in the 21st century and the way that

654
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,200
perception and consciousness

655
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:04,000
is manipulated by this phenomenon leads

656
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,039
us to wonder

657
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,279
is this what actually happened in the

658
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,799
distant past as well

659
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,960
that they weren't just making up stories

660
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,000
out of nothing

661
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:14,240
but actually there were real events real

662
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,360
encounters with

663
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:17,679
a non-human intelligence that led to

664
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,149
now even if real experiences led to

665
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,760
these myths being written

666
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,200
it's important to remember they were

667
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,360
still interpretations and thus were

668
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:31,120
still based on a pre-scientific

669
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,159
understanding

670
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,240
of reality like what we talked about

671
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,080
with the cargo cults

672
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:38,480
when storms arose out of quote-unquote

673
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,360
nowhere

674
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,600
they were seen as actions of capricious

675
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,520
angry gods

676
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:46,159
now eventually these oral traditions

677
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,720
became

678
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,400
texts that were written down sometimes

679
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,039
hundreds of years later

680
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,559
eventually for a tradition like

681
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,039
christianity a series of councils were

682
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,960
held to determine which of those

683
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:59,440
texts would become canon that is what

684
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:00,080
would become

685
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,440
bible and what would be left out

686
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,440
after these meetings some texts were

687
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,120
considered the word of god

688
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,360
quote unquote and others were considered

689
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:12,880
not scripture at all

690
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,760
there was no real gray area now of

691
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,840
course a fundamentalist paints these

692
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,840
councils as being totally directed by

693
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,039
the will of god

694
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:24,000
without any error in the process in

695
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,799
reality

696
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:27,279
historically these councils involved

697
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,080
debate

698
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,960
a seesawing of views and ultimately a

699
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,080
very human

700
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,430
and for the record i'm not saying that a

701
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:40,159
divine will wasn't involved in some way

702
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,840
my perspective actually is that

703
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,679
scientifically it makes sense

704
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,600
that there is ultimately an intelligence

705
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,520
behind the multiverse

706
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,360
i'm just saying that this fundamentalist

707
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,120
view that this process was

708
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,679
completely controlled by god without any

709
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:55,440
human interaction at all

710
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,230
now let's turn back to one of the

711
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,919
questions we posed at the beginning of

712
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,279
this episode

713
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:05,120
how will society grapple with these

714
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,320
coming revelations

715
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,360
because they are coming remember

716
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:12,240
most people strive ardently if somewhat

717
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,200
unconsciously

718
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,440
to quash any and all data that does not

719
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,360
agree with their world view

720
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,279
so how will we manage the months and

721
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:21,600
years ahead as these revelations

722
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,559
arise as the general society is forced

723
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:25,840
to reckon with this

724
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,720
phenomenon let's consider it from each

725
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:30,720
of the three dominant worldviews we

726
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:36,710
now because we know the ufo phenomenon

727
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,279
is real

728
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:40,240
and in fact we have emerging physics

729
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,640
that

730
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:43,360
explains aspects of it eventually

731
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,480
modernists will

732
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,520
catch up with this they will incorporate

733
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:49,360
this phenomenon into their model of

734
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,919
reality

735
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,039
they will come on board eventually

736
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,520
next we have the postmodernists or the

737
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,760
metamodernists the trans modernists we

738
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:59,120
talked about whatever you want to call

739
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,840
them

740
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,559
again they already see reality in such a

741
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:04,159
way that something like the ufo

742
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,039
phenomenon

743
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,440
is quite possible so as they learn about

744
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:08,880
it they will quickly

745
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,590
now as i'm sure you can guess the

746
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,640
traditionalists

747
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:19,039
are a different matter altogether they

748
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,080
are faced with a much

749
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:21,840
tougher challenge because there is no

750
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,399
simple way to include these revelations

751
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,799
into their conventional teachings other

752
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:28,240
than by assuming

753
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,310
demonic

754
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,799
again because this belief system is very

755
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:39,039
black and white it's very absolute in

756
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,480
its perspectives

757
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,559
there is little wiggle room here either

758
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,640
people will abandon and overcome this

759
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,039
worldview and adopt a new one

760
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:49,120
or they will cling to it and assume that

761
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,399
everyone else

762
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,440
is falling prey to this demonic

763
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,269
so in retrospect when you think about

764
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,960
these different worldviews that we've

765
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,039
outlined just within the united states

766
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,399
in 2021 i'm sure you can see that

767
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:08,480
the revelation of the existence of the

768
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,240
ufo phenomenon

769
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:12,480
is both an opportunity for growth and

770
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,360
even full-on

771
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,399
transformation of our society but it

772
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,320
also bears the risk that it could pull

773
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,919
us apart entirely

774
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,159
it could create a warring civilization

775
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,080
kind of scenario

776
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,679
perhaps the intelligence behind the

777
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,600
phenomenon is aware of this

778
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:29,760
and this explains their incremental

779
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,830
but as we've discussed before perhaps

780
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,480
our increasingly speedy march towards

781
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,880
self-destruction as well as destruction

782
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,399
of the biosphere

783
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,799
has forced the other's hand perhaps that

784
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:45,679
has increased

785
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,789
and now a final thought for your

786
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,399
consideration

787
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,240
if we think that some of the beings

788
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,159
within the ufo phenomenon

789
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,880
are the very same beings who created us

790
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,120
and that continue to want to help us

791
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,039
then let's acknowledge and pursue that

792
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,520
thread without resorting to outdated

793
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,120
religious views

794
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,279
and let's be ever cognizant of the fact

795
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,960
that people like moses

796
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,679
saul who later became paul were not

797
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,360
characters from stories

798
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,600
but real people who had extraordinary

799
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:18,880
encounters

800
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,080
with broader

801
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:24,399
deeper richer understandings of the

802
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:25,120
reality

803
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,799
all around them that wrestling for

804
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,000
comprehension and

805
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:32,240
understanding is of course not at all

806
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,120
dissimilar

807
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,120
to that which we are experiencing in the

808
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,880
very era we live in

809
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,720
as a result of the wondrous and

810
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,799
sometimes discombobulating

811
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,679
events we are being witness to but

812
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,360
rather than being overwhelmed and

813
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,279
defeated by these paradigm shaking

814
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,640
revelations

815
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,960
let's rise to the opportunity an

816
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,279
opportunity that offers us perhaps not

817
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,120
just a new perspective

818
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,640
but because of the truly

819
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,559
transformational content of these

820
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,000
revelations

821
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,159
the possibility of a new world

822
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,880
altogether

823
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:07,520
and on that note we've come to the close

824
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,080
of another

825
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,840
edition of the point of convergence

826
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,120
podcast

827
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,360
as always let's keep this conversation

828
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,279
going and growing

829
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:16,880
please continue to spread the word

830
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,080
through social media and other means

831
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:22,320
but until next time friends from deep

832
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:23,840
within the blue ridge mountains

833
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:27,120
of north carolina this is exo academian